Three problem projects of a similar nature have come into the office in the last 3 weeks. They are all domestic projects, they are all single ply roofing membrane, and they were all reported to have been leaking due to a failure in the roofing membrane.
The client reported that wet patches were appearing on the plasterboard ceiling, and on inspection the membrane appears to be blistering. So, we carry out an inspection – here are some photos of one such inspection.
The Roof Inspection
The Armourplan membrane is opened to reveal the plywood deck. The whole area of plywood boarding appears damp, with the top layers of the plywood beginning to delaminate. This project is less than a year since completion.
When a section of the plywood is removed it reveals 100mm foil faced insulation, laid directly over joists.
When a section of the insulation is removed, it exposes a 250mm void between the insulation and the ceiling plasterboard. There is no evidence of any vapour control layer (VCL) within the roof buildup.
Why would there be no VCL? This roofing contractor is a professional. He knows there should be a VCL.
The Roof Installation
It turns out the roofing contractor did not install the whole roof, just the membrane.
The main contractor had fitted the insulation and boarding, and informed the roofing contractor that the buildup had been installed correctly and that all he needed to do was to install the Armourplan membrane on top.
The roofing contractor has his doubts, but he needs the work and takes the contractor’s word for it. Perhaps he assumes the main contractor knows as much about roof build ups as he does. After all, he’s a professional.
Checking the specification for the roof confirms that it included a VCL, but the main contractor on the project had decided that they could meet the specification themselves except for the waterproofing membrane, and thereby save on the cost of paying the roofing contractor to supply and install the whole system. This might save him a few pounds per square metre of roof, but it all affects the bottom line.
The main contractor purchases the insulation and boarding, but fails to put in the vapour control layer. He tells the roofing contractor all the lower layers were put in correctly, and the roofing contractor sees what looks like a completed deck and installs the membrane.
This diagram below shows the buildup as installed – an insulation board with a plywood top placed directly on joists. A product exists which you can install like this, but it has specific requirements including hundreds of fixings to control vapour movement. In this case, the contractor bought a bit of insulation and stuck a bit of plywood on top with no VCL.
What Happens When You Don’t Build the Roof Correctly
To control the movement of water vapour in the roof buildup, a Vapour Control Layer should have been installed, with sealed laps, and sealed back to the structure.
In all these 3 projects we saw, condensation occurred exactly below the membrane, either on the plywood or the insulation (depending on the buildup used), producing visible blistering and wet patches inside. If left the deck and insulation would gradually get wetter and wetter, even though the membrane itself was correctly installed.
The roof is not leaking, it’s got interstitial condensation.
The whole roof must be stripped off and replaced.
For the sake of saving a very small margin, as little as £1 per square metre, the decision to ‘Do it Yourself’ results in the complete removal, skippage and replacement of all layers and associated delays, disruption and effect on the critical path of your project. The vast majority of the products used will have to be scrapped and replaced.
By not leaving the roof build up with the expert roofing contractor, the main contractor has left themselves with a very expensive problem.
That £40 saving has now cost you £4000.
A False Economy
The contractor may think that they can ‘do the easy bits’ but if they aren’t carried out by someone who knows about compatibility, system performance and compliance, something will be left out which can be very costly. It’s a bit like telling the surgeon you only need him to do the “heart bypass” part of the operation, as you’ve got a mate from down the pub with a sharp knife and a sewing kit from a hotel room that can do the chest opening and closing a lot cheaper.
Professional Roofing Contractors install roofs in a professional way as well. As the contractor works, they will create a night joint in an incomplete roof to avoid trapping moisture into the system if it rains overnight. Even if a main contractor does install the VCL and insulation correctly, because of the potential time gap between these elements being completed and the roofer turning up to install the waterproofing there would be a huge risk of getting entrapped moisture – with significant consequences.
It isn’t just installing it correctly either. The main contractor may not have chosen the right type of insulation – wall not roof (a not uncommon occurrence), EPS not XPS, Foil faced not Tissue faced (perhaps because it’s thinner). A single change in letter can mean a whole job fails.
If there is a legitimate reason to change the specification, this is perfectly possible, and a lot less costly than stripping the roof. You can redesign with a new product, but you must take into account the interaction of each layer with the prior and subsequent ones, and amend the U-value and interstitial condensation risk analysis calculations, for example.
What Can We Learn from These Mistakes?
If you’re an architect working on small scale projects, here are some points to consider.
- Encourage a culture of professional respect on site, and choose contractors who behave professionally. Advise your client to do the same – they will pay in the end for the corner cutting.
- Insist the whole roof specification is installed by an registered contractor and not broken up into its component parts. Roofing professionals are roofing professionals.
- Be confident your manufacturer or supplier is inspecting the roof installation so they can issue a guarantee on completion. This is part of our holistic service.
- Look out for situations on a relatively new flat roof suffering from blisters and damp patches below, where the roof may be leaking but in fact is interstitial condensation. Perhaps you have been victim of a cut-price heart operation!
11 comments
This is a brilliant blog post. Some people write off flat roofing because of negative experiences with them. However, if installed correctly, flat roofs are a fast, efficient and affordable option in many cases. Your point about ensuring the roof is installed by an accredited contractor is key. Learning from others’ mistakes is how we learn as an industry. Thanks for sharing.
Another great article, have bookmarked and will share with my fellow roofers, customers.
One of several big problems the industry need to address. The contractors want to get a roofing system with a guarantee. The roofer has to take the contractors word the work has been completed corectly. Problems normally occur months or year down the line. Customer left in the middle.
Above article mentions a £1 per square metre VCL, I think this must be out of date. I don’t think you can get a proper metal lined VCL that comes to the correct specifications for under £5 m² (price for 2018)
I enjoyed your article – I’d like to share my roofing woes.NB my problems were not with the roofing system but with the people I employed, for which I take full responsibility.
1. In 2009 installed GRP roof over existing bitumen cold roof on third storey of our holiday home. Main contractor enlisted an accredited installer to do the flat roof. Roof leaked for next 10 years. Neither the main nor the installer took responsibility. Roof system supplier inspected, agreed work was shoddy, put some patches on but said leaks due to issues which weren’t covered under their guarantee.
Lesson 1: ask for detailed drawings of how all your abutments (grey area) and edges will be finished (typical abutment and edge detailed drawings should be available on system supplier’s website)
Lesson 2: get one person to do all the work so there are no overlaps as to who is responsible for what (easier said than done)
Lesson 3: failing this, get main contractor and installer to agree grey areas and decide how they will be dealt with before work starts
Lesson 4: the company providing the system and guarantee should do a certain number of quality control spot checks, so ask them to inspect the work of your accredited installer, that should keep your installer on his/her toes and at the very least you can check how certain details should be spec’d i.e. extra fixings if on exposed hillside …
2. The old deck was lumpy and bumpy, old lead flashings were degraded and insufficient, 4x holes cut through GRP to fix mushroom vents but without fitting any gaskets waterproof or otherwise, GRP cut short where it couldn’t be seen once scaffolding came down, no battening or pre-formed drip trims to be seen, raw frayed GRP edges everywhere, and no one raised these as issues
Lesson 5: familiarise yourself with the specification and technical drawings of the system you are going to use
Lesson 6: get someone (neighbour if necessary?) to send you photos of everything and at every stage – before, during and after – google how things should look, query anything that looks odd, with the system supplier if necessary
Lesson 7: Cold roofs are “so 20th Century” – strip the whole lot off and start again with a lovely new single ply membrane warm roof.
PROS: cut your heating bills and make your loft conversion super cosy by adding more insulation.
CONS: will cost more (unless you have to redo the roof like I have had to) and will mean having to do a planning application.
+PROS: no more leaks and you’ll know for sure you are not living under a rotting botched ticking time bomb.
Hi, I’m not sure that’s right!
If the joints were taped on the foil insulation then that is the VCL is it not? If the plasterboard is getting wet it’s condensation dripping off the underside of the insulation surely? The void is on the wrong side of the insulation. For that detail to work you would need an additional VCL behind the plasterboard but I don’t see how this would cause the roof finish to fail.
Jon
Some excellent point above. Steve Cleminson is obviously seeing what I’m seeing out in the field.
The understanding of how to install and where to put the VCL is just not getting through. Replacing flat roofs that are two or three years old is now becoming a significant part of our workload. In many cases, this problem could have been avoided with good drawings and specifications. Architects and engineers tend to leave out specifications from drawings; contractors then interpret things and become liable for design.
Hats of to AccuRoof. SIG seems to be one of the only independent suppliers out there that have formulated a solution for contractors. Independent insurance backed guarantees are a good thing, add SIG,s PI Insured roofing design and specification services and use there trained installers and things start to go in the right direction.
“Split the Build Up” get the builders roofers and whoever did the building design talking together and problems solved.
We are just having an extension built with a fully insulated Trocal flat roof. However we’re experiencing problems. There is pooling or pudding on the flat roof with no run off – the rainwater is just lying in one place in particular. Surely this can’t be right. Could we please have advice on this. Thank you.
Hi Steve Roofer and Steve Cleminson,
Firstly I’d like to say I have been following your advice on numerous threads with great detail on new warm roof design and problem solving flat roofs and I’m learning all the time.
I have a query for you with regard the VCL on a warm roof
My Roof build up from bottom is
9X2 Joyce
OSB board
Torch on felt as VCL
150 mm of insulation mechanically Fixed Through VCL into OSB
Single Ply PVC membrane
1) should VCL be folded back on top of insulation and then glued to underside of PVC membrane on perimeters?
2) should this be done at roof lights also to prevent warm air from underneath entering the Warm roof envelope
3) on intersection to slate roof should this be again turned back on insulation and glued?
Thanks
Gavin
Hmm. Great thread. However, Industry standard is [from top down]: single ply membrane / EPDM [I only ever use the latter after too many punctures on top-rated single-ply], adhesive bonded to PIR insulation board [must specify the right one, tissue upper face for adhesive bonding], on self-adhesive VCL [e.g. Alutrix], on 22 mm ply [for joists at 600 centres]. That’s it. You can do whatever you like for the ceiling under the joists, including cutting in recessed lights etc, as this void is at the same temp and humidity as the space below [approx]. Our self-build has survived 10 years of cornish weather with no faults, despite a large area of flat roof with complex junctions – we know as a] we just sold it with a very thorough professional Chartered Surveyor finding no faults, and b] we left it exposed from underneath [fire treated], you could see all the ply, no staining at any point and certainly never a drip. This way the ply deck can breathe, whilst the VCL on top ensures the insulation isn’t required to [it can’t!]. BTW EPDM has superior elasticity to other membranes, which means less likely to fail / rip / tear through heat cycles. I hope this helps.