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    11 comments

    This is a brilliant blog post. Some people write off flat roofing because of negative experiences with them. However, if installed correctly, flat roofs are a fast, efficient and affordable option in many cases. Your point about ensuring the roof is installed by an accredited contractor is key. Learning from others’ mistakes is how we learn as an industry. Thanks for sharing.

    Another great article, have bookmarked and will share with my fellow roofers, customers.

    One of several big problems the industry need to address. The contractors want to get a roofing system with a guarantee. The roofer has to take the contractors word the work has been completed corectly. Problems normally occur months or year down the line. Customer left in the middle.
    Above article mentions a £1 per square metre VCL, I think this must be out of date. I don’t think you can get a proper metal lined VCL that comes to the correct specifications for under £5 m² (price for 2018)

    I enjoyed your article – I’d like to share my roofing woes.NB my problems were not with the roofing system but with the people I employed, for which I take full responsibility.

    1. In 2009 installed GRP roof over existing bitumen cold roof on third storey of our holiday home. Main contractor enlisted an accredited installer to do the flat roof. Roof leaked for next 10 years. Neither the main nor the installer took responsibility. Roof system supplier inspected, agreed work was shoddy, put some patches on but said leaks due to issues which weren’t covered under their guarantee.
    Lesson 1: ask for detailed drawings of how all your abutments (grey area) and edges will be finished (typical abutment and edge detailed drawings should be available on system supplier’s website)
    Lesson 2: get one person to do all the work so there are no overlaps as to who is responsible for what (easier said than done)
    Lesson 3: failing this, get main contractor and installer to agree grey areas and decide how they will be dealt with before work starts
    Lesson 4: the company providing the system and guarantee should do a certain number of quality control spot checks, so ask them to inspect the work of your accredited installer, that should keep your installer on his/her toes and at the very least you can check how certain details should be spec’d i.e. extra fixings if on exposed hillside …

    2. The old deck was lumpy and bumpy, old lead flashings were degraded and insufficient, 4x holes cut through GRP to fix mushroom vents but without fitting any gaskets waterproof or otherwise, GRP cut short where it couldn’t be seen once scaffolding came down, no battening or pre-formed drip trims to be seen, raw frayed GRP edges everywhere, and no one raised these as issues
    Lesson 5: familiarise yourself with the specification and technical drawings of the system you are going to use
    Lesson 6: get someone (neighbour if necessary?) to send you photos of everything and at every stage – before, during and after – google how things should look, query anything that looks odd, with the system supplier if necessary
    Lesson 7: Cold roofs are “so 20th Century” – strip the whole lot off and start again with a lovely new single ply membrane warm roof.
    PROS: cut your heating bills and make your loft conversion super cosy by adding more insulation.
    CONS: will cost more (unless you have to redo the roof like I have had to) and will mean having to do a planning application.
    +PROS: no more leaks and you’ll know for sure you are not living under a rotting botched ticking time bomb.

    Hi, I’m not sure that’s right!
    If the joints were taped on the foil insulation then that is the VCL is it not? If the plasterboard is getting wet it’s condensation dripping off the underside of the insulation surely? The void is on the wrong side of the insulation. For that detail to work you would need an additional VCL behind the plasterboard but I don’t see how this would cause the roof finish to fail.
    Jon

    Some excellent point above. Steve Cleminson is obviously seeing what I’m seeing out in the field.
    The understanding of how to install and where to put the VCL is just not getting through. Replacing flat roofs that are two or three years old is now becoming a significant part of our workload. In many cases, this problem could have been avoided with good drawings and specifications. Architects and engineers tend to leave out specifications from drawings; contractors then interpret things and become liable for design.
    Hats of to AccuRoof. SIG seems to be one of the only independent suppliers out there that have formulated a solution for contractors. Independent insurance backed guarantees are a good thing, add SIG,s PI Insured roofing design and specification services and use there trained installers and things start to go in the right direction.
    “Split the Build Up” get the builders roofers and whoever did the building design talking together and problems solved.

    We are just having an extension built with a fully insulated Trocal flat roof. However we’re experiencing problems. There is pooling or pudding on the flat roof with no run off – the rainwater is just lying in one place in particular. Surely this can’t be right. Could we please have advice on this. Thank you.

    Hi Steve Roofer and Steve Cleminson,

    Firstly I’d like to say I have been following your advice on numerous threads with great detail on new warm roof design and problem solving flat roofs and I’m learning all the time.
    I have a query for you with regard the VCL on a warm roof

    My Roof build up from bottom is

    9X2 Joyce
    OSB board
    Torch on felt as VCL
    150 mm of insulation mechanically Fixed Through VCL into OSB
    Single Ply PVC membrane

    1) should VCL be folded back on top of insulation and then glued to underside of PVC membrane on perimeters?

    2) should this be done at roof lights also to prevent warm air from underneath entering the Warm roof envelope

    3) on intersection to slate roof should this be again turned back on insulation and glued?

    Thanks

    Gavin

    Hmm. Great thread. However, Industry standard is [from top down]: single ply membrane / EPDM [I only ever use the latter after too many punctures on top-rated single-ply], adhesive bonded to PIR insulation board [must specify the right one, tissue upper face for adhesive bonding], on self-adhesive VCL [e.g. Alutrix], on 22 mm ply [for joists at 600 centres]. That’s it. You can do whatever you like for the ceiling under the joists, including cutting in recessed lights etc, as this void is at the same temp and humidity as the space below [approx]. Our self-build has survived 10 years of cornish weather with no faults, despite a large area of flat roof with complex junctions – we know as a] we just sold it with a very thorough professional Chartered Surveyor finding no faults, and b] we left it exposed from underneath [fire treated], you could see all the ply, no staining at any point and certainly never a drip. This way the ply deck can breathe, whilst the VCL on top ensures the insulation isn’t required to [it can’t!]. BTW EPDM has superior elasticity to other membranes, which means less likely to fail / rip / tear through heat cycles. I hope this helps.

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